Posted at 12:37am on Thu 6 April 2006 |
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VG_Staff- Posts: 18,020
| Quote:If you're a racing fan ToCA Race Driver 3 is a no brainer. It's got game modes and racing disciplines bursting from every polygonal seam and it's smart enough to cater for beginners and novices alike.
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Posted at 12:37am on Thu 6 April 2006 |
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Ben
| Do codemasters pay you to write reviews like this or are you just afraid that they wont give you your next game to review if you slam it as it should be. For the love of god ill never understand why websites like this dont actually hire sim racers to review, racing games. Comments like "Hardcore simulation fans will appreciate the level of detail in each vehicle's driving model and see how small changes in the tuning and upgrades can affect how cars behave on the track." - No, hardcore simulation fans will deplore this game, and mock it on every available opportunity on sim forums and websites everywhere. BHmotorsports.com polls are just 1 avenue where this laughable franchise is laughed out of existance. Stop writing ill informed, inaccurate reviews. This is an arcade game. A good arcade game, but nothing but. |
Posted at 1:01am on Thu 6 April 2006 |
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dwu- Posts: 83
| I think you need to re-evaluate your genre definitions there, Ben.
Arcade games are typically pick-up-and-play affairs with about as much depth as Paris Hilton. Arcade racing games in particular tend to have simplified physics and have a pretty shallow learning curve.
Games like ToCA Race Driver, in which you can spend ages tinkering with the settings of your car and be so unforgiving that it sends you careening into a wall if you put a wheel on the grass while cornering, clearly aren't arcade games. |
Posted at 7:45am on Thu 6 April 2006 |
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ben
| Then make a new title, because they are not sims. The level of physics detail and complexity in the Toca series, or infact any codemasters game are 1 dimensional at best, maliciously misleading at worst. Far out, most of them have centre turning point physics! Let alone the complexity to match real sims like RBR, GTL, GTR, Nascar 2004 or even LFS with its admirable tyre model. This game is not at all realistic.
You seem to intentionally make the distinction of 'hardcore' sim fans. Hardcore sim fans are those who play the games I have listed above, and GPL. Hardcore sim fans do not play this tripe.
" Arcade racing games in particular tend to have simplified physics". THIS game has simplified physics. Did you test to see if it has centrepoint physics? Can you with a straight face directly compare it with GTR?
No. Gook look at the polls on BHmotorsports re the sims community real feelings on this franchise.
Toca race driver is a great game, and deserving of its '9', but its not a hardcore sim. Its a comfortable racer designed for consoles and quick, fast action.
If you rate the physics model on par with the games i've talked about, you're not qualified to make that judgement.
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Posted at 11:35am on Fri 26 May 2006 |
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PS2racer
| What Ben said on BHmotorsports comment about the DTM Race driver series: "where this laughable franchise is laughed out of existance." This is what they really said:"After a few years of what I would consider rough waters in their Motorsports division, I believe that Codemasters has really put out something that they can be proud of. Not bad, folks, not bad at all." and this was just on DTM2. |
Posted at 3:06pm on Mon 7 May 2007 |
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Posted at 9:21pm on Fri 2 May 2008 |
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Vernongt- Posts: 2
| Ben, I just bought ToCA Race Driver 3, judging it by the reviews like the idiot at the top of this page. I should have known better, but I was sucked in by the multitude of venues and types of racing in this software (emphasis on SOFT). I already have GTR2, Race07, GT Legends, and the ever popular Nascar 2003. All of those are REAL Racing Simulators. You're right!!! This isn't a simulator, it's an "arcade game" for kiddies with arcade game mentality. I should have known better than to buy a Codemaster's product. I have Colin McRae 2005 sitting on my 'shelf' because 3 years ago I was sucked into that one too. Remember Vernon... (using a 10# hammer for effect), Codemasters = wasted money and time. How sad that the PS2 kiddies are sucked in by looking up the backside of a car and thinking it's racing. Thanks to SIMBIN and some REAL Racing sims I still have my sanity. Cheers and thanks for your honesty Ben. I wish I could email you... |
Posted at 9:35pm on Fri 2 May 2008 |
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Vernongt- Posts: 2
| DWU... Allow me to explain something to you. Arcade games are where you sit in a chair and stare at the rear licence plate of a cartoon-like car and race it all over a cartoon-like track/road/whatever. A Simulator is where you sit your ass in the seat of the car you are driving, you see the dashboard, you can turn your head and look out of the side windows if necessary, and there's a mirror or two that will give you a 'real life' view of where the heck you've come from; and if you look closely, and squint a little, you may see 'Codemasters' and all the little kiddies in the 'arcade games' waaaaaayyy back there in the past. Cheers. |
Posted at 3:35pm on Wed 31 December 2008 |
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Weazerdogg
| This is a very fun game. I have GPL, NASCAR Racing 2, 4, and 2003, GTL and though they are all great games, sometimes I don't feel like messing with my car and running 100 laps to dial in a set-up. This game lets you jump right into driving, does give you a few tweaks that can shave of a hundredth of a second or 2, and looks awesome. Ok, the reviewer got carried away with their "hardcore gamer" comments, but Ben and Vernon need to chill out and climb down off their high horse. This is a very cool, worthwhile, fun dang game. |
