Twitch streaming on Wii U isn't happening as it's not very fun, says Nintendo

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Posted 12:57pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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Twitch streaming on Wii U isn't happening as it's not very fun, says Nintendo
"Just purely streaming gameplay, what we've got to think through is, so what's fun about that?" asks Fils-Aime.

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Posted 12:57pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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"Just purely streaming gameplay, what we've got to think through is, so what's fun about that?" asks Fils-Aime.

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Nintendo are like that grandfather that still makes funny jokes and is entertaining but seems to be too stubborn to embrace anything that has existed since the turn of the millenium.
Posted 1:04pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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I think this quote from Reggie is VERY context sensitive. It's true live-streaming games is one of the largest thing in gaming at the moment and is very enjoyable. If Reggie said "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay is a lot of fun" he'd be pretty much completely wrong.

However what Reggie said in the quote is "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay by itself is a lot of fun". And he's got a point there, how many popular live-streamers ONLY stream pure gameplay. Not many if any at all. When I think of popular live-streamers (i.e. The yogscast, protonjon, somecallmejohnny, Totalbuscuit, VideoGamesAwesomeLive, any number of Dota 2 and LoL players, VideogamerTV) they always have commentary and/ or face camera's and webcams recording something, integrated into the livestream. Streaming pure gameplay isn't popular, Streaming gameplay with people and commentary over the top IS fun.

That's not to say that this means Wii U live-streaming will be coming sadly, but this specific quote can mean a number of different things...
Posted 1:07pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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I think this quote from Reggie is VERY context sensitive. It's true live-streaming games is one of the largest thing in gaming at the moment and is very enjoyable. If Reggie said "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay is a lot of fun" he'd be pretty much completely wrong.

However what Reggie said in the quote is "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay by itself is a lot of fun". And he's got a point there, how many popular live-streamers ONLY stream pure gameplay. Not many if any at all. When I think of popular live-streamers (i.e. The yogscast, protonjon, somecallmejohnny, Totalbuscuit, VideoGamesAwesomeLive, any number of Dota 2 and LoL players, VideogamerTV) they always have commentary and/ or face camera's and webcams recording something, integrated into the livestream. Streaming pure gameplay isn't popular, Streaming gameplay with people and commentary over the top IS fun.

That's not to say that this means Wii U live-streaming will be coming sadly, but this specific quote can mean a number of different things...

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It's like you're suggesting it might be lazy journalism for those extra hits?
Posted 1:21pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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It's like you're suggesting it might be lazy journalism for those extra hits?

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Didn't mean to imply that. It's just that of late I've seen a lot of quotes from developers being put on the internet meant to mean one thing specifically. But yet people have just taken it to mean, the developer disagrees with something completely, instead of one specific part of something.

I'm also worried that even though Nintendo have had a great E3 so far, this one quote could become so over blown, that it could become the only thing that many gamers take away from Nintendo this week. Mountains out of mole hills etc...
Posted 1:51pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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I think this quote from Reggie is VERY context sensitive. It's true live-streaming games is one of the largest thing in gaming at the moment and is very enjoyable. If Reggie said "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay is a lot of fun" he'd be pretty much completely wrong.

However what Reggie said in the quote is "We don't think streaming 30 minutes of gameplay by itself is a lot of fun". And he's got a point there, how many popular live-streamers ONLY stream pure gameplay. Not many if any at all. When I think of popular live-streamers (i.e. The yogscast, protonjon, somecallmejohnny, Totalbuscuit, VideoGamesAwesomeLive, any number of Dota 2 and LoL players, VideogamerTV) they always have commentary and/ or face camera's and webcams recording something, integrated into the livestream. Streaming pure gameplay isn't popular, Streaming gameplay with people and commentary over the top IS fun.

That's not to say that this means Wii U live-streaming will be coming sadly, but this specific quote can mean a number of different things...

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I agree, both with you and Reggie. It's the personalities that have driven the growth in Twitch and the Wii U isn't set up for that.

Right or wrong, Nintendo still thinks of its core audience as kids, and they have always erred on the side of caution when it comes to making tools that allow those kids unfettered access to the internet. I suspect there's a philosophical idea at Nintendo that a parent should feel totally safe giving one to their kids, so giving every kid a camera and account to broadcast their faces online probably doesn't seem like a great idea. I mean, Twitch is kinda filthy, and it took like 2 days for the PS4 Twitch integration to turn into porn. We can't all make jokes about how awful everyone on is on Xbox Live and then turn around and say "Why doesn't Nintendo allow this?" as if we can't understand it.

And Twitch has only even existed for three years, so it's a little early to start acting like Nintendo is doomed for not integrating Twitch support today. And he very clearly didn't say never, he said "We'll do it when we can do it well." They can add it later when they figure it out or it becomes a must-have. I genuinely do not understand how we went from making fun of the Share button on the PS4 to shaming Nintendo for not having one in like six months.
Posted 2:04pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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Nintendo are like that grandfather that still makes funny jokes and is entertaining but seems to be too stubborn to embrace anything that has existed since the turn of the millenium.

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I'd say they are doing their own thing, which I respect in an industry where everything has stagnated for about 7-8 years already. Xbox, PS4 they are the same black anonymous boxes with exactly the same games (except a few exclusives here and there) with the same old tired shooters, sandbox and driving games. Ugh! I have a moderately powerful PC so if I buy a console any time soon it won't be an Xbox or PS4 that's for sure.
Posted 2:13pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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I agree, both with you and Reggie. It's the personalities that have driven the growth in Twitch and the Wii U isn't set up for that.

Right or wrong, Nintendo still thinks of its core audience as kids, and they have always erred on the side of caution when it comes to making tools that allow those kids unfettered access to the internet. I suspect there's a philosophical idea at Nintendo that a parent should feel totally safe giving one to their kids, so giving every kid a camera and account to broadcast their faces online probably doesn't seem like a great idea. I mean, Twitch is kinda filthy, and it took like 2 days for the PS4 Twitch integration to turn into porn. We can't all make jokes about how awful everyone on is on Xbox Live and then turn around and say "Why doesn't Nintendo allow this?" as if we can't understand it.

And Twitch has only even existed for three years, so it's a little early to start acting like Nintendo is doomed for not integrating Twitch support today. And he very clearly didn't say never, he said "We'll do it when we can do it well." They can add it later when they figure it out or it becomes a must-have. I genuinely do not understand how we went from making fun of the Share button on the PS4 to shaming Nintendo for not having one in like six months.

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Indeed. Every thing in this post is spot-on.

In a world where we have news stories about kids accessing porn via their Xboxes, where, as you say it didn't take long for PS4 integration to turn to porn, where there is a running joke about foul-mouthed teens all over COD - and regardless of any hyperbole - is it a bad thing if a company that aims its games at kids says "not now/not until we can do it right"?

Whatever you think of the decision, Nintendo chooses, rightly or wrongly, to aim its products to kids, and to do that firstly you need to aim it at the parents. Parents have to trust a product to be safe for their kids. And that, I'd imagine, is the core behind this. Trust is a very hard thing to regain once lost.
Posted 2:19pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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Indeed, though appealing to kids and appealing to a less 'mature' market aren't the same and Nintendo are doing both at a time when many in the mainstream thought that every game has to be about guns, tits and stealth.

Personally, I think that's where 3rd parties went wrong in making versions of the same games rather than using the Wii U for its strengths. I'm sure they would have had a stronger launch with unique titles and less of the 360 and PS3 games.
Posted 3:57pm on Fri 13 June 2014
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I agree with the stand point of doing this in order to essentially protect a younger audience, that Nintendo strives to keep.

There was the controversy a few months back of Nintendo suspending the the Letter Box service on 3DS permanently. The reason they gave was that it was to stop people from sending and receiving prohibited materials. Many message boards and comments section went alight with the idea that Nintendo was acting to conservative and protective, and didn't trust it user. That was until less then a week later, a news story of a man who had convinced a young girl to send him nude images via the Letter Box street pass service was now being tried in Japanese courts. At this point a lot of the complainers hung their heads in same, when they realised "Oh wait, this actually happens".
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